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Written by Gav

February 1st, 2012 at 12:30 pm

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  1. Great piece of tally analysis!

  2. Nice post, sir.

    Adrian Weckler

    1 Feb 12 at 6:57 pm

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    Scrapebox Blast

    3 Apr 12 at 6:41 pm

  4. And now we have an Irish court challenge to the ESM – judgment due tomorrow at 10.30 am, while the German courts deliver their judgment on Tues!

  5. hey gav, what are your thoughts on hillsborough?

    Ciaran Hopkins

    13 Sep 12 at 2:20 pm

  6. Hi Ciaran, funny seeing you here(!).

    My thoughts on Hillsborough are this: there were two teams in the semi-final in Sheffield that day, and if the teams had been assigned ends based on their expected support (which wasn’t the case) Forest would have been at the Leppings Lane end.

    Forest only made it into the semi-final because they beat Manchester Utd at Old Trafford, 1-0. United underperformed and threw away their last chance at a trophy that season.

    It therefore could – and probably should – have been the case that it was Manchester United fans who might have been assigned to the Leppings Lane end of Hillsborough.

    As we learned yesterday, the identity and behaviour of the fans, or the team they support, had fuck all to do with their deaths. They died largely as a result of gross police incompetency and disorganisation on the part of the organisers who thought the ground could hold more people than it did.

    It therefore could easily have been 96 Manchester United fans, and not Liverpool supporters, who went to a football match in Sheffield (or Birmingham, or Leeds, or wherever) and never came home. And it’s that simple. The fans died and they did nothing to cause it themselves.

    Imagine you’re in a car on a quiet road, approaching a junction, and as you get near to the junction a truck comes full-speed across the road and obliterates the car directly in front of you, killing everyone inside it. Ending their lives and ruining the lives of their families and friends.

    If you were in the car behind, and had come so close to being killed, you wouldn’t be a cunt and taunt the victims just because they supported a different football team that you. You’d be thankful that it wasn’t you who was involved, and you’d be respectful whenever the subject of their deaths came up.

    Hillsborough is no different. It could easily have been United fans being crushed in the Leppings Lane end, or dying on makeshift stretchers because the police couldn’t organise themselves to get you to a hospital. And if it didn’t happen in Hillsborough, it could easily have been another stadium, another time, where a combination of a shit stadium, poor crowd control and dodgy turnstiles meant dozens of people never got home.

    Shankly was utterly, utterly wrong to suggest football was more important than life or death. Sport is a distraction, a tool for social escapism. Chanting and cheering the deaths of others just because they wear a different colour shirt to you for a couple of hours a week is petty and stupid, plain and simple.

    And I don’t care if people sing chants about Munich or anything else. There will always, you have reminded me, will cunts. But what would be sweeter than, having already knocked Liverpool off their perch, showing that you’re more mature and friendly than they are too?


    13 Sep 12 at 2:34 pm

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