Gavan Reilly

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Some thoughts on the push for a European referendum

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[Edited, 7:11pm]

So this morning we learned that the Dáil’s technical group is to use a little-known clause in the Constitution – Article 27 – by getting together enough Oireachtas signatures to petition the President to put the new EU treaty to the people.

First, a quick look over the rules:

  • The petition must be signed by one third of the members of the Dáil, and a majority of the members of the Seanad
  • Their signatures are then verified in a manner provided by law
  • The petition is furnished with “a statement of the particularground or grounds on which the request is based”
  • The petition and statement are sent to the President within four days after the Oireachtas has finished its consideration of the Bill.
  • The President must convene the Council of State to consider the petition and give his response within 10 days of the Bill being passed by the Oireachtas
  • If he deems it necessary, he will refuse to sign the Bill until either a referendum is held, or a general election is called and the Dáil reconvenes
  • If it’s not deemed necessary, he signs it within 11 days of the Oireachtas passing it.
Now, some thoughts:
  • This is such an unexpected and unprecedented development that the law outlining how the signatures are verified dates from 1944!
  • Although the petition doesn’t need to be presented until four days after it’s passed by the Oireachtas, the organisers will need to be wary of the possibility of a petition for early signature: the reason there is a four-day window is because the Constitution says the President only signs a bill between five and seven days after the Oireachtas passes it. This is pushed forward in the case of a motion for early signature – meaning that, if he was so minded, the President could accede to the motion for early signature and sign the Act into law before the petition picks up the necessary signatures. Also, given the political urgency around getting this treaty ratified as soon as practicable,
  • This is a separate clause to Article 26 under which the President can refer a Bill to the Supreme Court, and adds a degree of discretion to the President that they rarely have otherwise. Article 27 is quite clear in that even if the Supreme Court is being asked to rule on its constitutionality (though only under Article 26, and not in a private claim) and it deems a referendum not to be necessary, the President can still fire ahead and order the referendum anyway. This is in line with the President’s role as the guardian of the Constitution, and his need to protect the spirit of its intentions as well as the letter of the law.
  • Parliamentary arithmetic means the government is never in danger when it’s trying to legislate, but in this case the margins are wafer-thin. Let’s have a look at the breakdown of both houses:
    • Dail:
      • Fine Gael 74 (plus one defector, Denis Naughten)
      • Labour 35 (plus three defectors, Willie Penrose, Tommy Broughan and Patrick Nulty)
      • Fianna Fáil 19
      • Sinn Féin 14
      • United Left Alliance 5
      • Non-ULA from the technical group 11
      • Other independents 3
    • Seanad:
      • Fine Gael: 19
      • Labour: 12
      • Fianna Fáil: 14
      • Sinn Féin: 3
      • Independent university senators: 5
      • Independent Taoiseach’s nominees: 7

Let’s first deal with the Dáil, which has 166 members, meaning 56 is the magic number.

  • The Technical Group, which has engineered this campaign, has 16. Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil have both asked for a referendum. Add all of those together and we’re on 49. There are seven other people not subject to the whip: the four government defectors, and the three independents who aren’t members of the technical group.
  • It is questionable whether Messrs Naughten, Penrose, Nulty and Broughan will want to burn further bridges with their parliamentary parties – though perhaps all will be mindful that their former parties may face FF-style backlashes in the next election. Either way, the circumstances of each may mean that at least one of the four might be reluctant to jump.
  • Then we turn to the other three: Lowry, Grealish and Healy-Rae. The former pair, and the latter’s father, were among the independents on whom the previous government relied for its mandate. While the reasons that they did not join the Technical Group have never been explained, it is not because the government bought their votes: all three have voted against the government in the past months with no apparent sanction. Here, though, we have an unusual situation: in effect, if the government wants to ensure it doesn’t get pushed into a referendum, it could strike a deal with the three – who are known to be happy to strike deals – to secure their complicity.
  • So yes – even though the government has a massive majority in the Dáil, with at least 109 votes, it could have to secure the support of Michael Lowry, Noel Grealish and Michael Healy-Rae in order to ensure it doesn’t get dragged into a campaign it clearly doesn’t want, and could well lose.
Now, to the equally interesting Seanad
  • Ordinarily, the Seanad is a mere rubber-stamp for government legislation: the Constitutional power of the Taoiseach to nominate 11 members means the majority is rarely in doubt.
  • This time, Enda Kenny nominated 11 members – four of whom had been picked by his Tánaiste, Eamon Gilmore – but only four of them took party whips. Seven of those members are, in theory at least, independent – those seven have even formed their own technical group to put forward private motions. They may have been appointed there by a benevolent government but they do not answer to it.
  • This means that the government’s benches have 31 members – enough for a majority. Given the usually sub-total attendance in the Seanad, and the regular agreement of the university and independent senators to the government proposals, the majority is rarely questioned.
  • Here, however, the nomination of seven independents means there is something to be played for. Again, assuming that FF and SF in the Seanad assent to the petition, we have 17 signatures. Add the five university members, who have no political loyalties one way or the other, and we have 22. (A side note at this point: it is relatively rare that university panels elect people who are running, in effect, as members of a political party. How thankful Labour must now be that its Seanad leader, Ivana Bacik, got elected in Trinity College…)
  • Now we turn to the Taoiseach’s independents. They are likely, but not guaranteed, to act as one on this. This presents difficulties for some members: take Jillian van Turnhout, who is independent and often critical of the government, but whose husband is the Fine Gael constituency chair in Dublin South. Take also Martin McAleese, who had been reluctant to say anything out loud in the Seanad while his wife was the President. Take Marie Louise O’Donnell and Eamonn Coghlan, who attended FG pre-election events and who are open supporters of the party, though not members of it. Can van Turnhout be persuaded to cause political difficulty for her husband’s party? Can McAleese be persuaded to take an active role in convincing his wife’s successor to take an active political stance? Will O’Donnell and Coghlan end longstanding associations with their favoured party? All are questions to be answered.
  • Even if the independent group signs up, we now stand at 29 – and we need two more people from the government benches to cross over. Are there liberally-minded members on the government side who are willing to break ranks? Bear in mind that many Senators will have been dreading the day, later this year, when they were asked to approve a referendum abolishing the Seanad. A couple may have been prepared to break ranks at that point: turkeys, remember, are not in the habit of voting for Christmas. Perhaps some of them have a genuine belief that the Seanad is worth saving: could they be convinced that backing a referendum campaign could help to turn public support in favour of keeping the upper house? Will two of them be willing to bring forward their inevitable dissent and sign the petition now?
And that, ladies and gents, is why politics is Ireland’s favourite sport.
Update, 7:11pm: Two points I forgot to make earlier:
  1. The rules of a referendum change if it’s been called under Article 27. Even if the No side wins, the Constitution imposes a quorum: the volume of No votes must be more than one third of the total electorate. That means the referendum needs a turnout of well over 60% if the referendum is to be defeated.
  2. Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the Council of State meetings. The former presidents were Labour and Fianna Fáil nominees – the latter being married to a potential signatory of the petition – and there are two former FG taoisigh to FF’s three. The possibility of political motivations in the room should not be discounted: if there are members motivated by their party’s goals, the meetings could be fun…

Written by Gav

February 1st, 2012 at 12:30 pm

6 Responses to 'Some thoughts on the push for a European referendum'

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  1. Great piece of tally analysis!

  2. Nice post, sir.

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    1 Feb 12 at 6:57 pm

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  5. hey gav, what are your thoughts on hillsborough?

    Ciaran Hopkins

    13 Sep 12 at 2:20 pm

  6. Hi Ciaran, funny seeing you here(!).

    My thoughts on Hillsborough are this: there were two teams in the semi-final in Sheffield that day, and if the teams had been assigned ends based on their expected support (which wasn’t the case) Forest would have been at the Leppings Lane end.

    Forest only made it into the semi-final because they beat Manchester Utd at Old Trafford, 1-0. United underperformed and threw away their last chance at a trophy that season.

    It therefore could – and probably should – have been the case that it was Manchester United fans who might have been assigned to the Leppings Lane end of Hillsborough.

    As we learned yesterday, the identity and behaviour of the fans, or the team they support, had fuck all to do with their deaths. They died largely as a result of gross police incompetency and disorganisation on the part of the organisers who thought the ground could hold more people than it did.

    It therefore could easily have been 96 Manchester United fans, and not Liverpool supporters, who went to a football match in Sheffield (or Birmingham, or Leeds, or wherever) and never came home. And it’s that simple. The fans died and they did nothing to cause it themselves.

    Imagine you’re in a car on a quiet road, approaching a junction, and as you get near to the junction a truck comes full-speed across the road and obliterates the car directly in front of you, killing everyone inside it. Ending their lives and ruining the lives of their families and friends.

    If you were in the car behind, and had come so close to being killed, you wouldn’t be a cunt and taunt the victims just because they supported a different football team that you. You’d be thankful that it wasn’t you who was involved, and you’d be respectful whenever the subject of their deaths came up.

    Hillsborough is no different. It could easily have been United fans being crushed in the Leppings Lane end, or dying on makeshift stretchers because the police couldn’t organise themselves to get you to a hospital. And if it didn’t happen in Hillsborough, it could easily have been another stadium, another time, where a combination of a shit stadium, poor crowd control and dodgy turnstiles meant dozens of people never got home.

    Shankly was utterly, utterly wrong to suggest football was more important than life or death. Sport is a distraction, a tool for social escapism. Chanting and cheering the deaths of others just because they wear a different colour shirt to you for a couple of hours a week is petty and stupid, plain and simple.

    And I don’t care if people sing chants about Munich or anything else. There will always, you have reminded me, will cunts. But what would be sweeter than, having already knocked Liverpool off their perch, showing that you’re more mature and friendly than they are too?


    13 Sep 12 at 2:34 pm

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